All aboard the Gravy Train
I’ve been doing a little digging into how much Salford’s Labour councillors make largely by virtue of being a Labour councillor in a Labour controlled authority. Labour have 41 councillors in Salford and of them 30 receive extra allowances, leaving just 11 on the basic allowance of £9,810. Between them they receive nearly three-quarters of a million pounds from the tax-payer each year.
There a few areas where I’m not fully sure of the figures – bodies marked in bold do not make finding out how much and whether they pay the councillors in question easy to uncover over the web and I’m waiting for responses to queries. Transparency is seriously lacking. I’m also unsure whether Cllr. Lancaster receives payment for being a substitute on a Local Government Association Board. I was pretty surprised to see the council leader sitting on the board of a couple of property development companies too – especially given his place on regional development bodies and as council leader. Finally, I’ve left off expense claim information, see: http://www.salford.gov.uk/councillors/councillordetails/memberallowances.htm. By law there are limits to the number of cabinet members that a council can have. In order to get round this and pay extra allowances to more of its councillors Labour invented the ‘Executive Support Member’ position which doubled the number of councillors with portfolio responsibilities. Nobody’s quite sure what these members do, but they get paid an extra £6,006 for whatever it is.
The list is far from complete as the council does not publish its register of members interests online (I wish it would).
For information; opposition councillors are kept off committee chairs and most paid outside bodies. We get the basic allowance and group leaders receive an additional £7,914. My group leader, Cllr. Owen also has a place on the Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue Authority, which pays £3,769, whilst Conservative Ian MacDonald sites on the Greater Manchester Passenger Transport Authority giving him an extra £4050.
Anyway, onto the data I’ll update as I find out more – let me know if you spot something I’ve missed). The table is sorted by Parliamentary Constituency and ward and covers all of Salford City Council save for the non-Labour wards.
Edit: Cllr. Merry has helpfully clarified what he gets paid for – see his reply to this post. Figures have been amended to increase his income by £3500 and I’ve removed an array of unpaid positions.
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Councillor |
Total Remuneration |
Responsibilities, Directorships and Appointments (paid) |
Ward |
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John Merry |
£60,545 |
Leader of the Council,North West Regional Development Agency, Local Government Association |
Broughton |
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Charles McIntyre |
£9,810 |
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Broughton |
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Jim King |
£15,816 |
Executive Support Member |
Broughton |
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Peter Connor |
£22,470 |
Cabinet Member |
Kersal |
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Ann-Marie Humphreys |
£15,816 |
Executive Support Member |
Kersal |
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George Wilson |
£21,493 |
Committee Chair,Greater |
Kersal |
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Total: |
£145,950 |
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Salford & Eccles |
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Alan Broughton |
£9,810 |
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Eccles |
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Jane Murphy |
£9,810 |
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Eccles |
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Stephen Coen |
£15,816 |
Executive Support Member |
Irwell Riverside |
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Jimmy Hulmes |
£9,810 |
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Irwell Riverside |
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Joe Murphy |
£22,470 |
Cabinet Member |
Irwell Riverside |
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Gina Loveday |
£9,810 |
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Langworthy |
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Andy Salmon |
£9,810 |
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Langworthy |
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John Warmisham |
£22,470 |
Cabinet Member |
Langworthy |
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Alan Clague |
£17,724 |
Committee Chair |
Ordsall |
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Peter Dobbs |
£9,810 |
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Ordsall |
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Tony Harold |
£15,816 |
Executive Support Member |
Ordsall |
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Bernard Lea |
£9,810 |
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Pendlebury |
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Maureen Lea |
£22,470 |
Cabinet Member |
Pendlebury |
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Barry Warner |
£26,898 |
Cabinet Member, Greater |
Pendlebury |
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Derek Antrobus |
£22,470 |
Cabinet Member |
Swinton North |
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Jim Dawson |
£17,724 |
Committee Chair |
Swinton North |
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Bill Hinds |
£22,470 |
Cabinet Member |
Swinton North |
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Val Burgoyne |
£28,179 |
Mayor |
Swinton South |
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Total: |
£274,998 |
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Worsley & Eccles South |
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Dave Jolly |
£17,724 |
Committee Chair |
Barton |
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John Mullen |
£15,816 |
Executive Support Member |
Barton |
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Norbert Potter |
£15,816 |
Executive Support Member |
Barton |
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Jimmy Hunt |
£17,580 |
Executive Support Member,Greater |
Cadishead |
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Keith Mann |
£24,234 |
Cabinet Member,Greater |
Cadishead |
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Roger Jones |
£35,730 |
Greater |
Irlam |
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Joe Kean |
£17,724 |
Committee Chair |
Irlam |
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Roger Lightup |
£17,724 |
Committee Chair |
Irlam |
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Eric Burgoyne |
£13,579 |
Greater |
Little Hulton |
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Pat Ryan |
£9,810 |
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Little Hulton |
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Alice Smyth |
£17,724 |
Committee Chair |
Little Hulton |
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Vincent Devine |
£15,816 |
Executive Support Member |
Walkden North |
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Barbara Miller |
£9,810 |
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Walkden North |
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Bernard Pennington |
£17,724 |
Committee Chair |
Walkden North |
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Paula Boshell |
£9,810 |
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Winton |
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David Lancaster |
£37,053 |
Deputy Leader of the Council,Local Government Association,Greater |
Winton |
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Margaret Morris |
£14,235 |
Deputy Mayor |
Winton |
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Total: |
£307,909 |
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Grand Total: |
£728, 857 |
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4:26 pm on March 6th, 2008
I am concerned that you have stated I am on two property development companies. the only ones I can think of is chapel wharf and the broughton company in both cases I am the council represntive. in regard to all the companies you have queried I receive no remuneration. Nor do I receive any remuneration as now an adviser to the lsc. I served two full terms on the body for which I was remunerated and they asked to stay on in a unpaid capacity afterwards. In rhe intrests of transparency I ought to draw attention to the fact that I have been appointed the Labour lead at the Lga on children and young people
My question to you is when a simple phone call to me could have answered your questions why you chose not to ask me ? Surely its not the case you wanted to imply something improper wuthout being bothered by the truth?
8:06 pm on March 6th, 2008
Thanks for clearing that up John – I’ll amend appropriately asap. I don’t think that the post reads as if I was implying impropriety – merely legitimate concern. Part of the point of it is though, that working through the sprawl of interests, appointments, directorships and memberships on quangos etc. is not easy without privileged access and effort. I personally think there are far too many quangos and that there is a lack of transparency in what politicians of all stripes across the country are involved and what they get paid for (and influence over).
You’ll also have to accept that my experience on the council has not given me an automatic expectation that if I ask for information I’ll receive it.
3:36 pm on March 7th, 2008
The figure is too high for me as I do not get paid anything for my work on the lsc . I understand your concerns about quangos but those I sit on have tories and lib dems as well. I am appointed in a personal capacity and where I to give them up Salfords influence would be not be as strong. The actual figure is roughly the previous figure you gave with the lsc taken away and the lga added in. I hope you feel I am being transparent enough!
11:46 am on March 9th, 2008
Whilst you’re here John, could you just give me an outline of what those in Executive Support positions actually do? I’ve already asked one of my local representatives, but he didn’t seem to know!
10:11 am on March 13th, 2008
….tumbleweed drifts by ….
12:25 pm on March 20th, 2008
This is very interesting Steve.
Four points:
1. Presumably the ESM’s are like deputy chairs in other authorities?
2. You know that the basic in Manchester is almost at ESM level?
3. You do not say anything about the big INCREASE Lib DFems brought in in Bristol on accession, or anything about the equivalents in the atrociously managed (it’s official) Lib Dem Liverpool. Any reason for that?
4. And you say nothing about the Hospital Hoaxer Cllr John Leech MP who is trousering his £60,000 from HoP, £22,000 John Lewis List, £10,000 Communications – which he is using for hybrid political leaflets, PLUS payments to Lib Dem activists, PLUS his councillor wages of £15,000+.
Leech promised to donate these – after tax presumably – to local Lib Dem constituency funds. Yet of c £45,000 only £3,500 has darkened the door of the Electoral Commission register.
In fact there is a great mystery with Manchester Lib Dem funds in that they appear to have a campaign worker and fairly deep pockets in general but scarcely any donations in are recorded.
I applaud your intention of giving transparency. Perhaps you would try for fairness as well and shine the light on Lib Dem authorities showing how things should be done?
1:26 pm on March 20th, 2008
Three points Paul:
1. “Presumably the Executive Support Members (ESMs) in Salford have similar demanding roles to (paid) deputy chairs/cabinet members in other authorities?”
Presumably indeed – nobody knows, and in fact we have no evidence that they do anything whatsoever above and beyond what the back-benchers do.
2. “even though he feels hard done by with 34% less in allowances”.
For the record – I do not feel remotely hard done by with my allowance. I think it more than enough for the role of a councillor without additional duties. In fact I was the only councillor who spoke out against massive rises in councillor salaries (39% for some compared with 2.9% for admin staff at the council) a couple of years ago. I gave the difference between my salary rise and that of the rise given to staff to Salford Women’s Aid.
http://www.salfordadvertiser.co.uk/news/s/507514_merry_christmas_for_council_leader_john_whos_just_been_given_a_141_pay_rise
3. I know nothing of the Bristol Lib Dems – I don’t spend my time investigating the practices of every council in Britain. Additionally, I know you hate John Leech and his colleagues (that’s hate rather than oppose), but assertion is not the same as evidence and I take any of the bile you spout about him with a mountain of salt.
11:10 am on March 22nd, 2008
Cookey
Good work for providing the voters with information they have a right to see.
The average “pay” of a Labour councillor is £17,777.
A bit less then a trainee manager in McDonalds.
Would the Lib Dems, and your Tory partners from so many councils, like a system where only the independently wealthy can afford to be councillors?
11:23 am on March 22nd, 2008
To answer your question: no.
As an aside – your turn of phrase is interesting:”Would the Lib Dems, and your Tory partners from so many councils…”. This rather conveniently for you pushes a message that the Lib Dems and Tories are alike and often co-operate on councils, unlike Labour! However, as we both know the Labour and the Tories are and have been in coalition on many councils, just as Labour and the Lib Dems have been in coalition on others. Given the current state of affairs in the Labour party and the number of privileged MPs, Lords and donors in the party you’re shaky ground with your implication. And just so you know, I consider myself and my party a very, very long way from capable of being described as partners to the Tories (Nu Labour on the other hand seems much closer to Tory’ism).
Labour could go a long way towards making the council more accessible to those not independently wealthy by changing the times of their meetings to make them easier to attend by those of us with jobs. Sadly they’ve refused time and time again.